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    Hans - Karl Weiß
    Oct 16, 2021
    Edited: Oct 28, 2021

    Napoleon's Admiral's - Boney's Boys on the high seas

    in The Napoleonicist

    Josh Provan joins me to talk about some of the most significant French naval commanders of the period, looking at the successes, failures, and arguably unfair criticisms that can be made of these often neglected seafarers.

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    Every week a treat - this time the higher ranking officers of the French Navy are introduced. It starts to dim on me - how complicated Naval Warfare was and that one was in dire need of a complete Navy from top leadership down to skill of the seamen.

    Though it is concluded that the Royal Navy just had superior training - I have the impression that the leadership - and here the top commanders were just better and could orchestrate full fleed manoeuvres and battles in contrast to the French. My impression about Royal Navy training got a dent listening to the 1812 podcase, and again just stressing the point that all hugh organisations are not a homogenous but a heterogenous mass.



    must be in 1814 or later, note the white cockade




    here a sailor of 1792 in splendid Revoutionary outfit





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    Daniel Studer
    Jun 27

    It is a pity Mr. Weiss has no intention to contribute to the advance of knowledge on the uniforms of the French Navy of the Revolution and the Empire - as revealed by the fact that he did not answer my questions regarding the provenance of the illustration depicting French sailors around 1792. But, well ...

    Thanks to everyone who has shown an interest in the matter. It would have been really nice to have learnt more about it.

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    Brendan Morrissey
    Jun 19

    And of course, La Touche-Treville's name was the origin of the phrase "the Nelson touch" (see also the title of David Howarth's book on Trafalgar).

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    Daniel Studer
    Jun 18

    Hans-Karl, your second picture representing French sailors of c.1792 is most interesting. Could you tell us where this image is from? Is it from a published work? If so, from which one? Or, perhaps, from a private collection? Perhaps, from your own collection? At any rate, this is a most important picture shedding light on the costume worn by (some?) French sailors at the end of the Ancien Régime and at the beginning of the Revolution. In my opinion, the style and composition are strongly reminiscent of Nicolas Hoffmann's uniform plates. Maybe it was he who executed this image (one of his "lost" ones?)? I hope you will help to advance the subject of French Revolutionary and Napoleonic naval uniforms and costumes (unfortunately still very much neglected, despite Eric Schérer's recent but still very much wanting work on French naval uniforms ...). Thank you very much.

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    Hans - Karl Weiß
    Feb 12

    and now part 2 - too good to be missed.




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    Hans - Karl Weiß
    Feb 06

    Just discovered this on youtube of adventures in historyland, quite eye opening and very worthwhile to watch




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    john fortune
    Oct 16, 2021

    It strikes me as ironic that a Frenchman should have coined the phrase ' il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres.'

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    tomholmberg
    Oct 16, 2021
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    In reference to the Royal Navy.

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    john fortune
    Oct 17, 2021
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    @tomholmberg Correct

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    Hans - Karl Weiß
    Oct 16, 2021


    Louis-Thomas Villaret de Joyeuse


    another admiral of unhappy ending


    In case for those interested in a light read on the French Navy - full of illustrations


    Crowdy, Terry : French Warhship Crews 1789 - 1805, Osprey, Warrior Series, Oxford 2005


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    Hans - Karl Weiß
    Oct 16, 2021


    Étienne Eustache Bruix


    another admiral of unhappy fate

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    Hans - Karl Weiß
    Oct 16, 2021

    two other faces




    Bruyers of Aboukir fame




    Louis-René Madelaine Le Vassor, comte de La Touche-Tréville


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