Here is an image by JOB of Massena (I believe) bulling past his men through a breach, probably in Spain. Any suggestions as to the location and date of the action?
Have been down these roads. As to wiki, its chief delight is also its nemesis. I have written six or seven previously A class articles dealing with the Wars in Southeast Asia. And when you are done, unless you want to constantly ride herd on your articles, you are at the mercy of morons. After a while (and some contributions to the Borodino article) I gave it up.
I agree, showing again the weakness of secondary sources, look that the light blue of the Prussian Dragoon uniform coat and how it looks like on the portrait.
I am not aware of online archives for images of the Liberation Wars, but google may help in that way, or just look at battles and don't snub Wikipedia, not necessarily because of the quality of the article but often you will find very high quality illustrations and links.
Excellent helpful advice from Roger Forthoffer for anyone interested in period uniforms should be taken to heart:
'There are three sorts of uniforms for every period of history: those described in the uniform regulations; those shown by the artists of that period; and what the soldiers really wore!'
I believe that the usual practice after a battle is that it is named by the winner.
The French won at both Lutzen and Bautzen and the allies were pushed back to the Oder. And Wittgenstein who commanded the Russian/Prussian allies was relieved and replaced. Then came the unfortunate armistice which allowed the allies to regroup and the Austrians to enter the war against the French.
So, the 1813 campaign was actually two-the spring campaign won by the French and the late summer/fall campaign won by the allies.
I believe that the usual practice after a battle is that it is named by the winner.
I was under the impression that the usual practice is to name the battle according to the place where it was fought or at least at key positions, I will use Groß Görschen, ok yes I sympathize, ß and ö, not on the key board, so Lutzen much easier, an interesting battle was fought at the 30 YW there.
@Hans - Karl Weiß if you depress the letter 'o' on your keyboard and keep it pressed you will find all accent opportunities appear in a panel e.g -ö- simply press the relevant number as I have just done- '2' in this case. Same for all other relevant letters of the alphabet. e.g - ß-
@john fortune Or use ASCII letters (hold down ALT while entering the numbers on the numerical keypad). Below are commonly use French characters, but you can look online foe the complete list.
Here the death of Hessen Homburg also at Groß Görschen
here the monument, the original had to be pulled down due to rust in 1974 but a copy was re erected in 1999
Boney named this battle in due propaganda fashion battle of Lützen - or in French Lutzen (u is pronounced in French like an ü) of 30YW fame - where Gustavus Adolphus was killed, there is a good song by Sabaton about this, nicely "illustrated" as well.
and in full
Von Lettow - in case you use such renowned Prussian nome de guerre, I hope you find that interesting.
to avoid scourge or repetition, Senarmont, ordered by Victor, also it was again a combined attack along with Dupont, same here at Groß Görschen, without the infantry no success and gaining of ground.
Senarmont obtained the permission of Victor to employ the entire compliment of the corps artillery. He didn't ask Victor for permission on how to deploy the artillery.
Dupont was already committed with his division artillery, but Senarmont took the initiative and advanced on the Russian center on his own initiative. He passed Dupont's infantry division and attacked the Russian center. And that initiative turned the main attack over to Senarmont and the artillery with Dupont now supporting Senarmont's advance. Senarmont had in fact gained and taken ground which he not only held during the action but but had in actuality gained ground.
Napoleon was surprised at what had happened and sent Mouton to find out what Senarmont was doing. He didn't send him to ask Senarmont's corps commander, Victor, for information.
Senarmont bluntly told Mouton to leave them alone, which Mouton did and reported such to Napoleon. Napoleon backed up Senarmont.
This action was a case of Senarmont 'converting' a supporting arm-artillery-into a supported arm. It was the decisive decision and action of the battle.
For primary source evidence of the action, see Grands Artilleurs: Drouot-Senarmont-Eble by Maurice Girod de L'Ain, 133-239. Drouot is covered from 1-132.
There are plenty documents and primary sources and not just the one book as above, the more words are repeated the more neurons are activated and the stronger the connections between them get, beware of those physiological mechanism and try to gain a multi perspective point of view and then form an opinion. Only by repetition - regardless of facts or evidence, the brain gets influenced, hence scourge of repetition.
Hence for that reasons myths and propaganda stories of Nabulieone are entrenched due to repetition.
There the French lost more casualties at Groß Görschen than the Allied - it must be that the ground was covered more by those unfortunate victims than the allied one.
As usual the artillery acted only in support of the decisive attack of the infantry, this time mostly the Young Guard.
Not all Artillerie à Pied de la Garde did wear the bearskin cap - but the Young Guard did wear the shako.
Initially also the original gunners of the régiment à pied did wear the shako, till about 1810, I don't know who was responsible for the change for the bearskin cap.
To brake out a bit of the Boney perspective here two paintings, caveat secondary sources, Röchling and Richard Knötel.
Drouot's large battery performed the same task at Lutzen that Senarmont did at Friedland. The difference was that Napoleon ordered Drouot to the task whereas Senarmont did it on his own initiative. It was by then a standard artillery tactic in the Grande Armee. The results of Drouot's action was quite definite:
'The Emperor ordered four Imperial aides to accompany the troops of the Guard selected for the attack. I accompanied General Berthezene at the head of the Fusiliers of the Guard. This brave general and his fine troops had earlier attacked and routed the enemy from their positions around Kaja; the men comprising the Fusiliers were all veteran soldiers, and their discipline and elan were no match for our adversaries: The Fusiliers were supremely confident of victory.'
'The signal to advance being given, our brigade moved out, and eventually passed by the left flank of the grand battery. The discharges of these pieces was deafening, and the smoke covered the field, obscuring our view. Our battalions were formed in attack column of two pelotons width and rapidly traversed the ground already devastated by the day's fighting. We passed over the wreckage of entire regiments which had been cut down by our guns. At times the enemy dead and wounded were so thick that our men's feet did not touch the ground. My horse hesitated often as it looked for firm footing.'
'The enemy could not withstand our advance. They fired a few, sporadic volleys, broke ranks, and fled before our bayonets. His Majesty can be pleased with the soldiers of the Guard who carried this attack into the heart of the enemy line.'-General Count Auguste Charles Joseph Flahaut de la Billardie.
Drouot's artillery action lasted between twenty and thirty minutes and clearly demonstrated what massed, close-range artillery fire could do to formed troops.
The Old Guard companies wore the visored bearskin cap. This replaced the original shakos that were worn during the 1809 campaign in Austria.
When the Young Guard companies were raised, they indeed wore the shako.
Three veteran companies that would be rated Old Guard were first raised and then three companies of 'conscript artillerymen.' These companies were raised in 1808-1809.
The Guard Artillerie a Pied developed into a 'fully organized regiment' from 1810-1812. The three companies of conscripts were sent to Spain and then later became the Young Guard artillery. The regiment of Old Guard artillery had its own band, sapeurs, and visored, grenadier-style bearskin caps.
If I remember correctly, Drouot was wounded in the action at Hanau. He was the artilleryman chosen by Napoleon to organize the Artillerie a Pied of the Imperial Guard and led it at Wagram.
Initially, the regiment wore a shako, but Drouot later got them permission to wear the bearskin and also organized a band for them.
Drouot was also the commander of the grande batterie at Lutzen that blew out the allied center, a la Senarmont, paving the way for the decisive infantry assault by the Guard. There were so many allied casualties that it was difficult to find ground to step on that wasn't covered by a dead or badly wounded body.
Unfortunately, my favorite isn't there. It is one of Napoleon spending time with his infant son in the nursery with the nurse standing guard at the door not allowing anyone else in the room.
This volume might also be helpful for anyone interested in the military art of JOB:
Thank you gentlemen. Last, but not least, is this illustration by JOB, which, I must admit, has me over a barrel. JOB's illustrations are generally graphic depictions of actual events, but the Shrapnel Poodle?
Indeed - no Austrians there but Bavarian Chevaulegers - who almost captured the guns but a timely counter attack by French cavalry prevented this.
Drouots ADC notes :The Emperor gave order to the General Drouot to gather thirty or forty cannon of the Guard, to silence the enemy artillery (nota bene – counter battery fire – which so some world famous artillery expert never existed) (…) Never the less the General Drouot reached it and took position on edge of the forests with a marvelous speed; a quarter of an hours was enough for him to extinguish the enemy fire (nota bene – counter battery fire with effect). But then the prince Wrède made a charge on our batteries, which were supported by no infantry (nota bene – lack of support troops were noted); the general Drouot loaded his guns with canister shot and waited till the cavalry charge was nearly upon him till he fired … the enemy horsemen who followed, arrived almost on our guns it was a critical moment; he general Drouot who was on foot, had drawn his sword, gunners had armed themselves with ram rods and with trail spikes (nota bene – the effect of canister was not enough to stop the Bavarian cavalry and the French gunners readied themselves for hand to hand combat).Fortunately the General Nansouty had cleared the wood behind us and emerged on our right; overturning everything which was in his way.(so the French cavalry had the credit to save the artillery)”(Vie de la Planta, cited in Dawson : Les Brutal The Guard Foot Artillery 1797 to 1815, p.197 / 198
Have been down these roads. As to wiki, its chief delight is also its nemesis. I have written six or seven previously A class articles dealing with the Wars in Southeast Asia. And when you are done, unless you want to constantly ride herd on your articles, you are at the mercy of morons. After a while (and some contributions to the Borodino article) I gave it up.
Impressive. Are there any online archives of images from the War of Liberation?
Here a contemporary picture of Prince Wilhelm in his dragoon dress.
I believe that the usual practice after a battle is that it is named by the winner.
The French won at both Lutzen and Bautzen and the allies were pushed back to the Oder. And Wittgenstein who commanded the Russian/Prussian allies was relieved and replaced. Then came the unfortunate armistice which allowed the allies to regroup and the Austrians to enter the war against the French.
So, the 1813 campaign was actually two-the spring campaign won by the French and the late summer/fall campaign won by the allies.
Does anyone know who the unhorsed gentleman in the third image is? I believe that it is from the actions around Leipzig.
to avoid scourge or repetition, Senarmont, ordered by Victor, also it was again a combined attack along with Dupont, same here at Groß Görschen, without the infantry no success and gaining of ground.
There the French lost more casualties at Groß Görschen than the Allied - it must be that the ground was covered more by those unfortunate victims than the allied one.
As usual the artillery acted only in support of the decisive attack of the infantry, this time mostly the Young Guard.
Not all Artillerie à Pied de la Garde did wear the bearskin cap - but the Young Guard did wear the shako.
Initially also the original gunners of the régiment à pied did wear the shako, till about 1810, I don't know who was responsible for the change for the bearskin cap.
To brake out a bit of the Boney perspective here two paintings, caveat secondary sources, Röchling and Richard Knötel.
If I remember correctly, Drouot was wounded in the action at Hanau. He was the artilleryman chosen by Napoleon to organize the Artillerie a Pied of the Imperial Guard and led it at Wagram.
Initially, the regiment wore a shako, but Drouot later got them permission to wear the bearskin and also organized a band for them.
Drouot was also the commander of the grande batterie at Lutzen that blew out the allied center, a la Senarmont, paving the way for the decisive infantry assault by the Guard. There were so many allied casualties that it was difficult to find ground to step on that wasn't covered by a dead or badly wounded body.
those two fantastic volumes for download, this time surprisingly from Allemagne
JOB - Onfroy de Breville, Jacques Marie Gaston, 1858-1931. Tenue des troupes de France a toutes les epoques
http://tudigit.ulb.tu-darmstadt.de/show/51-A-479
from another work
and another Hanau
More pictures by JOB can be found here:
de breville 'job' - Bing images
Unfortunately, my favorite isn't there. It is one of Napoleon spending time with his infant son in the nursery with the nurse standing guard at the door not allowing anyone else in the room.
This volume might also be helpful for anyone interested in the military art of JOB:
Uniforms of French armies 1750-1870. vol. 2 (Paperback) by Luca Stefano Cristini: New Paperback (2019) | The Book Depository EURO (abebooks.com)
Outstanding work! That takes care of it for now. Thanks once again
2e régiment d'artillerie
Prise d'Alger en Algérie, 1842.
Nous ne sommes plus sous le Premier Empire!
Thank you gentlemen. Last, but not least, is this illustration by JOB, which, I must admit, has me over a barrel. JOB's illustrations are generally graphic depictions of actual events, but the Shrapnel Poodle?
Listed as “Le maréchal Lefebvre à Dantzig” 1807
https://www.akg-images.com/archive/Marshal-Lefebvre-near-Gdansk-2UMEBMYS1POKQ.html