@vonlettow Probably very few theaters will be showing a 7-hour long movie, so DVD or Blu-Ray will be the best chance to see this. I believe that the Coppola version was released in the US, but might be out of print now. I saw the Coppola version with orchestra in Chicago.
@tomholmberg That is the one I saw (except with a canned soundtrack). The only version available today is Kevin Brownlow's restoration, and you have to have a region-free player in order to watch it. Brownlow's version of von Stroheim's Greed was also the only version available, but it has been out of print for at least thirty years. I bootlegged a copy off of TV onto VHS when the restored version was originally broadcast on TNT in the 80s, the only version I could ever find. For a classic silent, that is ridiculous.
I’d go along with that, it certainly fits his style. The figure on the right is a hornist. If they are supposed to be from the same unit then the voltigeur company. It’s worth noting how they don’t follow the Bardin regulations. The habit vestes are correctly in green with what appears to be imperial lace. However, they should be single breasted, not lapelled. The lace on the sleeves The use of swallows nests on the shoulders is from an earlier period.The alternative interpretation is that this is a either a green coated unit, or adopted green coated musicians early, and from an earlier period, say 1809?
@david Tomlinson With my server acting strangely, I feel I had better get up some more candidates while the getting is good. So, without further adieu, Regt Jo Napoleon, Baden Arty, and French Fantassins. Can the artists be identified?
Indeed, Cambronne repeatedly denied he said either. Such though is the power of myth making. As a result the illustrations of heroic defence “a là aigle blessée” are legion, although those like this one showing La Garde as prisoners are rare. Yet the statistics tell the true tale and show the value of returning to the primary evidence rather than being swayed by secondary romanticism.For us who are photographic generations, it is worth remembering that these illustrations are all confections. They follow the romantic more than create it. So knowing who, when and for whom they were made, just like all secondary sources, allows us to interpret their subject matter correctly.One only has to visit the souvenir shops of Waterloo, and it is quite clear who has won this battle of romantic legend. Representations of Napoleon and his heroic guard flood the walls and shelves. You can find a Wellington or Butler or two, but a Blücher or victorious Prussian such as this requires a determined and often fruitless search. Hence the need for this thread to identify this image, because it was so rarely illustrated.
@john fortune I believe that you are correct. As I was comparison shopping, I found another image by Scollins that I had intended to post here for possible identification. Just take a look at the service use on that uniform! I love it.
hello unfortunately concerning the late Alexander Yéjov (1966-2014) he belongs to these artists like Dionisio Alvarez Cueto or Rick Scollins who left us too early before the 50' years old, he illustrated many Russian and French magazines, use the automatic translation from russian below :
@Hans - Karl Weiß All I have been able to discover is that Averyanov was born in 1950 and that Telenik is (I believe) Ukranian. I might as well have thrown in Oleg Parkhaev into the list - another artist about whom I have no biographical information.
@Hans - Karl Weiß Finally found the identity of the mystery man. Sergei Letin was his name. He evidently died in 2005, but other than those two facts. His life is a blank. I rather like his rather stylized forms.
the Russians are always underestimated, they knew their opponent and not only out witted Murat but also Nabulieone himself, who had the vanity - due to narcissistic personal disorder - that in case he conquered Moscou - the Russian Emperor would beg or peace.
By staying so long in Moscou and making fun of this sage advisers he put the nails into the coffin of the Grande Armée.
Next up, more grist for the mill. Have some confusion over whether Baron Lejeune was the ADC of either Marshal Davout or Marshal Berthier during the Russian campaign. Any help appreciated.
@Kevin F. Kiley Have been giving this one some thought considering some past replies. Has their been a beef in the past between uniformologists and "artists" who covered the Napoleonic era? I have noticed the creep of terms like historical inaccuracy or the continuation of inaccuracies over time. What is that all about?
I believe you are correct but which one? Novi - what a bloodletting! Too bad old Suvarov and Napoleon never got to go head to head. That would have been something!
Grenadiers à Pied:Killed 23Wounded 162PoW. 904Missing. 190Chasseurs à Pied;Killed. 18Wounded. 71PoW. 1,745Missing. 77Paul L Dawson ‘Napoleon’s last Army’ page 615. Based on the returns and cross referencing with the MATs and PoW returns.Kill to PoW ratio of about 1:64.5
Brings to mind the fact that it was not Cambronne who made the quote but the artist Charlet who simply named the illustration. Interesting how association and repetition create fact where none existed before.
The Prussian persuit at Belle Alliance, a drummer was mounted on a train horse to cause more panic for the French.
A new 7-hour restoration of Gance's "Napoleon" is due out in 2023 , so you might want to wait before buying.
I’d go along with that, it certainly fits his style. The figure on the right is a hornist. If they are supposed to be from the same unit then the voltigeur company. It’s worth noting how they don’t follow the Bardin regulations. The habit vestes are correctly in green with what appears to be imperial lace. However, they should be single breasted, not lapelled. The lace on the sleeves The use of swallows nests on the shoulders is from an earlier period. The alternative interpretation is that this is a either a green coated unit, or adopted green coated musicians early, and from an earlier period, say 1809?
The 73rd and 33rd Figures are from Uniforms at Waterloo by Phillip Haythornthwaite. The illustrations were by Jack Cassin-Scott and Michael Chappell
Osprey 257 Napoleon’s Campaigns in Italy, so Richard Hook? Don’t have a copy to hand, but it does look like his work.
Indeed, Cambronne repeatedly denied he said either. Such though is the power of myth making. As a result the illustrations of heroic defence “a là aigle blessée” are legion, although those like this one showing La Garde as prisoners are rare. Yet the statistics tell the true tale and show the value of returning to the primary evidence rather than being swayed by secondary romanticism. For us who are photographic generations, it is worth remembering that these illustrations are all confections. They follow the romantic more than create it. So knowing who, when and for whom they were made, just like all secondary sources, allows us to interpret their subject matter correctly. One only has to visit the souvenir shops of Waterloo, and it is quite clear who has won this battle of romantic legend. Representations of Napoleon and his heroic guard flood the walls and shelves. You can find a Wellington or Butler or two, but a Blücher or victorious Prussian such as this requires a determined and often fruitless search. Hence the need for this thread to identify this image, because it was so rarely illustrated.
hello unfortunately concerning the late Alexander Yéjov (1966-2014) he belongs to these artists like Dionisio Alvarez Cueto or Rick Scollins who left us too early before the 50' years old, he illustrated many Russian and French magazines, use the automatic translation from russian below :
http://adjudant.ru/news/news.asp?id=160
Am looking for any biographical information on these very fine Napoleonic artists:
Aleksander Averyanov
Aleksander Yezhov
Anatoly F. Telenik
Any assistance appreciated
Fascinating story! Russian psychological warfare at the command level. I have another contender. Here I am looking for the name of the artist.
Date and Unit is a plus.
I wonder whose idea it was to play to Murat's vanity? It was a brilliant psychological move.
Exceptional work and another problem solved!
Http://projectmurat.blog/the-good-cossacks-were-playing-with-him/
Keep running up on really inexplicable ones. Here, Prince Murat appears to be giving a watch (or money) to a cossack in Russia. Any comment welcome.
I tagged it as such. Considering his long association with the master, he seems a likelier choice than Perignon.
I believe you are correct but which one? Novi - what a bloodletting! Too bad old Suvarov and Napoleon never got to go head to head. That would have been something!
Perhaps better subtitled “The Guard Surrenders, It Doesn’t Die”
You know, I kind of felt it might have been during the Hundred Days right after I posted. Quick work. Here is the last I'm stuck with.