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    John Gill
    Aug 16, 2020

    Prussia/Saxon Maps?

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    The mapire.eu site is a wonderful gateway to 18th and 19th century maps of the Habsburg Empire and southern Germany: https://mapire.eu/en/map/europe-18century-firstsurvey/?layers=osm%2C163%2C165&bbox=367198.7065677182%2C6106048.39945092%2C2560024.1740128547%2C7084442.361501175

    Does anyone know if there is something similar for Prussia/Saxony/central Germany?

    Thanks!

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    Martin Klöffller
    Aug 20, 2020

    Concerning german maps of 1770-1815, you have to check for Landesaufnahmen / Generalkarten / topograpische Karten / Kriegskarten, most prominently in the scale of 1:86.400 like the famous cassini maps, often arranged according to the presumed theatre of war.


    Schleswig: Du Plat'sche Karte

    Holstein: Vahrendorfsche Karte

    Mecklenburg, Brandenburg: schmettausche Karte

    Ostpreußen: Schröttersche Karte

    Sayony: Meilenkarte, Petri-Karte

    Hessen-Darmstadt: Haassche Karte

    Bayern, Baden, Würtemberg, Hessen: Karte von Südwestdeutschland

    Hanover: Kurhannoversche Landesaufnahme

    Bayern: Carte de Bavière, topographischer Atlas, Uraufnahme

    Nordwestdeutschland: Lecocqsche Karte

    württemberg: Bohnenberger

    Linkes Rheinland (4 neuen Departements): Tranchot-karte, Müffling-Karte

    Rheinland, Belgien: Carte chorographique de Ferraris


    For more extensive, but also incomplete survey see: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Kartenwerken

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    John Gill
    Aug 22, 2020
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    These are excellent suggestions, Martin, many thanks!

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    Martin Klöffller
    Aug 20, 2020

    Online shops or download offers are:

    https://www.landkartenshop.de/index.php



    www.on-geo.de
    on-geo Homepage-Software Immobilienbewertungen, Researchdaten, Objektbesichtigungen
    Wir sind führender Anbieter von Software für Immobilienbewertungen, Researchdaten, Objektbesichtigungen und Gutachtenerstellung nach BelwertV und ImmoWertV

    https://www.ub.uni-freiburg.de/eucor/karten/karten.html

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    Martin Klöffller
    Aug 20, 2020

    Well, it is not easy, as even today the various online offers are scattered through the federation. Basically printed maps and digitized maps are available at the "Landesvermessungsämter" of the respective federal states (Bundesländer). Maps are also preserved at various libraries and archives, most prominent are the Staatsbibliothek Berlin, Kriegsarchiv Wien, Krigsarkivet Stockholm and Bayerische Staatsbliothek München which maintain separate divisions for maps. The degree of digitization is not very much advanced, but you can order digitized copies.

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    Alfred Brans
    Aug 16, 2020

    Every site I checked referes to the above site, so I don't think these maps are online. It is very difficult to trace public resources in Germany. There are some, but hard to find. Other countries are far more creative commons minded. I think it's the old spirit of Köpernick the can't free themselves from. On Youtube I love the short item's of Reale Irrsinn. As a dutchman it hardly to grasp how completely different things are organised in Germany. But funny. On the other hand I find it very difficult to find good pics to use from german sites. And since my site is in german, it's quite frustrating.

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    Alfred Brans
    Aug 16, 2020

    For my website I did earlier today the little town Trebbin (Battle of Gross-Beeren) and on the Wikipedia there was a little snippet of a colored map. I found this site: https://geobasis-bb.de/lgb/de/geodaten/historische-karten/schmettausches-kartenwerk-%281767-1787%29/

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    John Gill
    Aug 16, 2020
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    Oh, those are splendid--thanks! Did you find them on-line as well? Or only available through purchase?

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    Michael Lint
    Aug 16, 2020

    https://mapire.eu/en/map/europe-18century-firstsurvey/?layers=osm%2C163%2C165&bbox=1088128.2113491793%2C6178534.332441145%2C1552559.5952099103%2C6300833.577697427


    Slightly earlier, but I used this map to see how the terrain has changed from 18th century to now for Teugen, Hausen, and Thann.

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    John Gill
    Aug 16, 2020
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    Yes, thank you--these are great, exactly the thing for southern Germany and Austria. Sadly, they do not extend far enough north for Saxony and Prussia.

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    John Gill
    Aug 16, 2020

    In addition: are there some that show local details such as the extent of villages and forests as the Habsburg maps and the old Bavarian maps do?

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    Thomas Hemmann
    Aug 16, 2020

    And Streit's "Topographisch-militairische Charte von Teutschland in 204 Sectionen", published 1809: https://bvbat01.bib-bvb.de/TouchPoint/perma.do?methodToCall=quickSearch&q=259%3D%22BV000451008%22+IN+[8]

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    John Gill
    Aug 16, 2020
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    These are great, thanks, Thomas!

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    Thomas Hemmann
    Aug 16, 2020

    For Saxony, there is for example the Petri map, which was used by all armies in the area in 1813. See https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/3L2JNTZCTWYQYZV2BCXQ3HGVNGF27PTA and http://www.ingenieurgeograph.de/Unterrichten/Kriegsschule_1813/Zeilitzheim_2013_12_Kloffler_Petrikarte.pdf

    Best wishes, Thomas

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