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Karl Friedrich Emil zu Dohna-Schlobitten

Does anyone know when this officer was promoted to Premier-Lieutenant and then Rittmeister in the Prussian army? I assume he was not made Major until he joined the Russian army in 1812? Also it is mentioned he attended the Kriegsschule Berlin in 1804. Does he remain an officer of the 6th Dragoons throughout these events?


Also he is mentioned as a POW after being wounded at Eylau. Was he held for long or did the end of hostilities effect his release within weeks?

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Chuck White
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You're welcome, Keith.

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The 11th Light Dragoons?

https://www.britishbattles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/8-1st-Hussars-KGL-1808-768x573.jpg


This is often cited as an image of the 1st Hussars KGL. Is it actually an image of the 11th LD? They were brigaded with the KGL Hussars in 1811.

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john fortune
7 days ago

The 11th Light Dragoons had buff facings and the 'regulation feather' on the cap of white over a red base. The details visible in the OP illustration indicate the red fadings of the 1st KGL and a rather faded depiction of the regulation feather with red base only just discernible.

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Shadowy advisers and scandals - nothing new

In view of current events in UK politics, I thought I would put up some research I have been doing on one of Austria’s shadowy figures: Matthias Von Fasbender. I was going to place this on Wiki, but they have said there is too much primary material and not enough “reliable secondary material” - the lack of the latter is why Fasbender is a shadowy figure! He is also called an ‘eminence guise’, so I was interested to read that this term does not derive from Cardinal Richelieu, but his own adviser, who as a Capuchin monk, work the grey robes of that order.

So, you will all be saying “Fasbender - who is he?”. He was the chief civilian adviser to Archduke Charles from 1796 to 1805 and did much of the implementation work in the First Reform Period (1801-5), before siding with the Archduke’s opponents in 1805 in…

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On my website I do have a little bit on Fassbender, but he shows up in only two articles, (2 in 14.313) so very shadowy indeed)

On my wiki the prerequisite is that the content has to be primary and contemporary. And in german, although that should be no problem with this person.

Matthias von Faßbender | Von Bastille bis Waterloo. Wiki | Fandom

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1st KGL Hussars in Spain

I have been confused by the various representations of their headwear but it seems to me that the busbee they wore in the Peninsula was a variation of the British Army light dragoons of that period i.e. a tall version of the busbee with a small semicircular leather flap at the front to cover the eyes from the sun. Knotel et.al appear to show a shorter round brown fur hat in use by 2nd and 3rd but I believe if so these were possibly a later introduction in common with the heavy dragoons becoming the light dragoons in 1815. However at this end of a long war I doubt there was much enthusiasm for uniform changes among auxiliary forces of the British Army. Thoughts, forumites?

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John Cook
Feb 05

I’m not sure if ‘busby’ is a Napoleonic term but I don’t think so.  It is usually referred to as a fur cap.  British Light Dragoons wore the Tarleton crested helmet, not the fur cap.  Quite how KGL Light Dragoons were dressed prior to 1808 seems to be one of those ‘nobody knows’ questions.  By c1808 the KGL light dragoon had become hussars and dressed accordingly, with a fur cap.  The illustrations in Beamish’s 'History of the King's German Legion', executed by a member of 3rd Regiment, are perhaps the best known primary images and are largely the basis for many secondary renditions of the uniforms.  British hussars wore two versions of the fur cap, the earlier one being some 5 inches taller than the later one.  KGL hussars regiments seem to have received the earlier cap, at least initially.  Those in the Beamish illustrations include a small peak, perhaps a local addition because the usual British hussar fur caps do not seem to have had one.  See the article here which is as good a summary as any of what is known of KGL uniforms.   https://thisreilluminatedschoolofmars.wordpress.com/the-dress-of-the-kings-german-legion-1-some-primary-sources/

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skirmish on the Spanish coast

I am researching the life of Captain Sir Thomas Staines RN, who was involved in a minor skirmish with the French army on the coast of Catalonia in August 1808. An officer aboard his ship (the frigate Cyane) describes the events of August 14th and 15th, when Staines harassed a French column bound for Barcelona at the little town of Calella some 30 km east of the city. He describes the ship firing at French soldiers who returned artillery fire, and then a French 'colonel of cavalry' making a rude gesture towards the British offshore. According to the RN officer, Staines replied with a couple of warning shots, and then when the colonel did not move, sent a cannonball towards him, which wounded or perhaps even killed him.


Does anyone know the French units that were involved in this fracas, and the identity of the French colonel who was so…


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Thanks for this information Antonio...chasseur Maymat (or Meymat which looks to me like the spelling) seems a possibility. Were there any other French cavalry forces (dragoons or even cuiraissiers) operating on the Catalonian coast in mid-August 1808?

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Voltigeurs of the Guard

Can anyone tell me where the 2nd and 3rd Voltigeurs of the Guard were in 1812? I don't see them in Russia, at least not initially? I am looking for the whereabouts of Cambronne between January 1812 and January 1813, he was colonel of the 3e Voltigeurs de la Garde.

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Jonathan,


From a further look at Nafziger's OoBs the 3rd Voltigeurs were still with the Armee du Nord on 1 February 1813 (813BSXC), but do not feature in the return for 1 March (813CSXB).


Ian

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Research on War of 1812 private Shadrack Byfield - "From Amputee to Author"

Private Shadrack Byfield of the 41st Foot was an English War of 1812 veteran who buried his own arm, designed a custom prosthesis, and wrote multiple memoirs. My article about him has recently been published in the Journal of British Studies; it's free to read via the link below.


From Amputee to Author: Shadrack Byfield and the Making of a War of 1812 Veteran

doi.org/10.1017/jbr.2025.10169 The University of Cambridge, where I was working when I wrote the article, has put together a short summary of the research: https://www.cam.ac.uk/stories/disabled-redcoat-veterans-lost-autobiography-discovered

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Appreciate that write up. I do like to read how former soldiers made out longafter their service was up.

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Pionniers noirs

I wonder if anyone has ever been able to access this thesis. I would love to see a pdf of it :-)


Raguet, Jean-Christophe, “Du "Pionniers Noirs" au Royal-Africain (1802-1813) : histoire d'une unité noire sous le Consulat et le 1er Empire,” Bibliothèque Universitaire (Besançon - Lettres) - D.90030

https://19m.nakalona.fr/items/show/17402.

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While many US universities have online portals for ETDs, my experience is that many French universities don't, or if they do many dissertations are restricted.

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Another modern myth? The battalion carre

I have often wondered about the Napoleonic corps system and this name of the battalion carre. I have been of the view that much of it is a modern invention to get round the problem of the Prussian corps system of the late 19th century, which finishes up in Hittle’s 1944 comment that the Germans were just not capable of devising it in the modern form, so they must have copied from the French.

The battalion carre only appears in 1806 - why not 1805? Looking at the Fondation N Correspondance, Napoleon mentions carre in various letters, but it is to do with positioning divisions “en bataillon carre” as in the letter to Lannes on 8th October 1806 and to Soult on 11th March 1807. The only letter where Napoleon talks about the whole army being in this formation is to Soult on 5th October 1806, where Napoleon talks…


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jwladis
Jan 08

Your interesting post prompted me to use the AI ChatGpt to explore your issue.


Here is the prompt I used with ChatGpt's reply:


what is the source for the term "batallion carre" as applied to Napoleon's 1806 Campaign?

The term “bataillon carré” (often Anglicized as battalion carré or battalion square) as applied to Napoleon’s 1806 campaign (Jena–Auerstedt) comes directly from French contemporary military writing and Napoleon’s own correspondence, not from later British historians.

Primary Sources (contemporary)

  1. Napoleon’s Correspondence (Correspondance de Napoléon Ier)

  • Napoleon repeatedly used the phrase “marcher en bataillon carré” to describe his operational method of advancing several corps in a compact, mutually supporting formation.

  • Key references appear in letters and orders from September–October 1806, when the Grande Armée advanced into Prussia in a broad but tightly connected front.

  • Example phrasing (paraphrased): “Nous marcherons en bataillon carré, prêts à nous concentrer sur l’ennemi.”(“We will march in battalion square, ready to concentrate against the enemy.”)

  1. Marshal Berthier’s Orders and Staff Correspondence (1806)

  • Berthier, as chief of staff, echoed Napoleon’s terminology in operational orders, using bataillon carré to describe the corps dispositions across Thuringia.

  1. French Memoir Literature

  • Officers such as Marbot, Jomini (in early works), and later Thiébault refer to the 1806 advance in terms consistent with the bataillon carré concept, even when not quoting the phrase verbatim.

Classic 19th-Century Secondary Sources (where English readers often encounter it)

  1. Antoine-Henri Jomini

  • Précis de l’Art de la Guerre (and earlier analytical works) discusses Napoleon’s method of advancing in a compact mass of independent corps, explicitly linking it to the bataillon carré idea.

  1. Adolphe Thiers – History of the Consulate and the Empire

  • Describes the 1806 maneuver as a classic example of Napoleon’s “bataillon carré” system.

  1. Sir Edward Hamley – The Operations of War

  • Popularized the term in English military literature, directly applying “battalion square” to the 1806 campaign.

What the Term Means (important nuance)

  • It is not a literal tactical square of battalions.

  • It is an operational formation of army corps: several corps advancing on parallel roads within supporting distance, forming a loose “square” so the army can rapidly concentrate in any direction.

  • 1806 is the textbook example because Napoleon advanced with Davout, Lannes, Soult, Ney, Augereau, and Bernadotte arranged so that any could support another within a day’s march.

Bottom line

The source of the term itself is Napoleon and his staff (1805–1806 correspondence and orders).Its systematic explanation and later fame come from Jomini and 19th-century historians, and it entered English usage mainly through writers like Hamley and Thiers.

If you’d like, I can pull exact French quotations with dates from the 1806 correspondence where Napoleon uses bataillon carré—just say the word.

please give quotes

Certainly—here are verbatim primary-source quotations where Napoleon himself uses “bataillon carré” (or “marcher en bataillon carré”) in connection with the 1806 Prussian campaign. I give the original French, date, recipient, and a faithful English translation.

1. Napoleon to Berthier – 30 September 1806 (from Bamberg)

French (original):« Nous marcherons en bataillon carré, prêts à nous porter sur l’ennemi par toutes les routes. »Correspondance de Napoléon Ier, lettre n° 10528 (éd. Fondation Napoléon)

English:

“We shall advance in battalion square, ready to move against the enemy by all routes.”

Context: This is the classic formulation. Napoleon is describing the corps spread across Franconia and Thuringia, each within supporting distance.

2. Napoleon to Berthier – 2 October 1806

French:« Toute l’armée marchera en bataillon carré ; chaque corps sera à une journée de marche l’un de l’autre. »Correspondance, lettre n° 10542

English:

“The entire army will march in battalion square; each corps will be one day’s march from the other.”

Context: This is the clearest operational definition: not geometry, but supporting distance between corps.

3. Napoleon to Soult – 3 October 1806

French:« En marchant en bataillon carré, vous devez pouvoir vous porter soit sur Saalfeld, soit sur Schleiz, suivant les événements. »Correspondance, lettre n° 10555

English:

“By marching in battalion square, you must be able to move either on Saalfeld or on Schleiz, according to events.”

Context: This shows the flexibility aspect: the formation allows rapid concentration in different directions.

4. Napoleon to Lannes – 5 October 1806

French:« L’armée est disposée en bataillon carré afin de pouvoir combattre partout où l’ennemi se présentera. »Correspondance, lettre n° 10577

English:

“The army is arranged in battalion square so as to be able to fight wherever the enemy presents himself.”

5. Berthier (on Napoleon’s instructions) – General Order, 6 October 1806

French:« Sa Majesté ordonne que les corps d’armée continuent à marcher en bataillon carré, se soutenant mutuellement. »— Berthier, Ordres de l’Armée, Oct. 1806

English:

“His Majesty orders that the army corps continue to march in battalion square, mutually supporting one another.”

Why these matter

These are not later historians’ labels. Napoleon himself repeatedly uses the term during the opening phase of the 1806 campaign. This is why Jomini, Thiers, and later Hamley could confidently describe Jena–Auerstedt as the classic example of the bataillon carré system—they were following Napoleon’s own language.

If you’d like, next we can:

  • compare these 1806 uses with his 1805 Ulm campaign wording, or

  • pull the exact page scans / archival references for any one of these letters.


In conclusion I'll note that Chatgpt does occasionally make errors, even to the point of hallucinating; that is, making up specific sources or quotes. I haven't checked Chatgpt's response for accuracy. Some of it jives with your post.

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