#WaterlooRemembered - Day 1 Here. We. Go! The fortnight of Waterloo commemorations kicks off with me discussing the real Waterloo story, and some of the main areas of debate, ahead of the first interview tomorrow (which looks at some of the forgotten foreign forces). Fresh episodes will be released every day between now and the 18th June. Please share widely, and join the discussion. https://anchor.fm/the-napoleonicist/episodes/Waterloo-Whats-the-real-story-ef164s
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Is there a way to access a roster of soldiers that fought with Napoleon at Waterloo?
By the way naming the battle, interesting just read the recollections of Woodberry - With Wellington in the Peninsular and Waterloo, kindle edition, he writes
"the last battle will be the Battle of Belle Alliance. It is a curious fact that the English cavalry had abandoned the pursuit of the enemy after that battle in a small village called the Belle Alliance."
As you might imagine, I was a little unhappy with this podcast. While it is fair enough to highlight the world-wide spread of the Napoleonic Wars in terms of where fighting took place, the conflict does not merit description as the ‘first world war’. If geography is the key, it is no different from the War of the Spanish Succession or the Seven Years‘ War, whilst if the involvement of powers from around the world is what is required (as per WWI and WWII), it doesn’t fit that bill either. In brief, then, despite the War of 1812, what we have is a European conflict fought out on a world stage. What is more, despite the claims of David Bell and others, it was a pretty traditional affair: ideology played little role while, away from France, the concept of the Nation-in-Arms was at best spasmodic in its appearance.
Hans Karl (sorry that I previously referred to you as karl Hans.
Thanks for this. I have Beraud (but only read the part on Eylau) and I think I have Glover's book. Coppens is available on Amazon & I'll order a copy.
I refer to authors like Bernard Coppens - Les mensonges de Waterloo (this is a crucial read, a must to understand how and why the battle unfolded) and also Stéphane Beraud La révolution militaire napoléonienne : Tome 2, les batailles (GIOVANANGELI) - he explains how Boney's lies, like his knowing of the Prussian arrival came into being, also Gareth Glover's book about Waterloo - Waterloo: Myth and Reality - would be a good start.
As for the myths and lies, there will be endless sources, Houssaye maybe, or Lachouque?
Fake or not I hope someone can Id the source. I thought it was Parker, Three napoleonic Battles but it was not.
To Karl-Hans: Could you tell me to what recent research you are referring? I'd like to read it. Note: not questioning the accuracy of your statement that Nap was surprised; just interested in reading that research.
Interestingly the Allies defeated napoleon using a technique he often had used to defeat them. Engage the enemy from the front while having an independent corps arrive on one of their flanks, crushing that flank & then the entire enemy army.
Many years ago I read a book or article that discussed communication between Napoleon & Grouchy on June 18. That source indicated that French riders (scouts or messengers) relayed to napoleon that the Prussians were coming as early as his commencement of the battle. Further, when the glinting of the sun off muskets indicated that a body of troops was approaching the french right flank, napoleon gave out thet it was Grouchy's troops so as not to disconcert the army.
There was also a discussion of a pencilled message instructing I Corps to assume a certain tactical formation which the author writes may have been misinterpreted, resulting in the odd formation assumed by that corps.
What is that source? Does anyone know. I think it was in English but might have been in French.
Here what Kellermann has to say about the lack of surprise and failure of splitting the Allied armies
By the way - Boney wasn't aware of the Prussians and didn't have them on his agenda, till they surprised him when engaging at Plancenoit area.
Something often overlooked. Ney was appointed left wing commander only on the 14th or 15th and had no HQ to speak of. He had to assemble what he could, find out where is corps were located and communicate with them. No easy task when you have no aides. This may partly explain why Ney was late in attacking the Quarte Bras road junction on the 16th.
The Dutch - Belgians seemingly knew very well the importance of those cross roads and decided on their own, regardless of Wellinton, at least to occupy it.
Regardless - of scrambling, by fighting there Drouet's whole corps became a waste by just not interfering either at Quatre Bras, nor at Ligny.
In case the Prussians wouldn't have putting up such a stiff fight at Ligny, Drouet's corps wouldn't have to be recalled, in fact it belonged to Ney and by taking it away from him, deprived him from a victory at Quatre Bras and Boney of a more decisive victory at Ligny.
Thanks for the pod cast, I have an ever so slightly different opinion. In my view neither Wellington nor Blücher were at all surprised by Boney at all, contrary a trickle of deserters kept them much better informed than Boney himself.
Boney'a attack at Charleroi failed abysmally to split the Allied Army, in fact that they could wage the battle of Quatre Bras/Ligny at the 16th speaks for itself.(they wouldn't have accepted battle unless they were convinced to support each other) - a completely split army couldn't have done that.
Those are, unfortunately in my view - seen as dual battles, some French thought is was one - commenting when attacking Blücher they did attack the left wing of the Allied Army.
Indeed, I see it as one battle as well, it had catastrophic tactical (Drouet's lack of interference in either one of those battles) as well as operational consequences. Those results were the deciding factors for the Campaign of 1815, Belle Alliance was already lost by the result of the 16th of June.
Did anybody at all read
Really enjoyed this, because it gives a concise overview of the campaign without delving into the controversial points and also gives the layout of the importance of your project.
We WILL remember them.