In an epic episode Marcus Cribb & Luke Daly Groves join me to discuss the opposing perspectives on the emperor, his impact, and how he's remembered. They also show the trolls that Napoleon can be discussed without getting angry, while explaining why Napoleon is like ordering a takeaway! https://anchor.fm/the-napoleonicist/episodes/Napoleon-the-Great-Debate-emg20o
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Thank you Marcus, I’ll look forward to following it. What it does reveal is that we are prepared to get exited over a head of state in power for less than two decades, who ended in failure yet had a charisma powerful enough to sustain a legend still.
Here is an idea that suggesting it got me booted off another forum, presumably for offending hero worshiper's sensibilities. To test whether your adherence is emotional bias rather than logical or merely preferential, are you capable of writing a short piece extolling the opposite view? If as a Napoleon admirer you are capable of sustaining and validating some criticisms? By the same token, if you want to sustain a Corsican Ogre view, could you make a case for some redeeming factors? If you find you cannot bring yourself to do either, it suggests you are emotionally invested rather than quite as rational as you think you are.
DS at Staff College used that one, and I think it comes from the rhetoical tradition, Someone with a better classsical or philosophical education than I might be able to assist. If I recall, I think there is/was a Radio 4 series that used this device. What I find strange is that such an elementary debating tool was regarded as trolling (or presumably heresy?). At least Elvis fans are honest enough to admit they are fans as they file past The King's tomb at Graceland. They don't try to persuade you that they only go there for the gift shop, like one devotee tried to describe his pilgrimage to Les Invalides!
another good point of discussion, the greatest military conqueror since Julius Caesar.
Nobody, not even me denies that the did wage very successful campaigns and was a master of the operational art of war, but great soldier? For a while yes, but for the hero worship fan boys his severe blunders are ignored, Egypt - a disastrous campaign - especially Syria, he then did not learn anything from the sufferings of his army in the winter campaign of Poland 1806/07 - where the halcyon victories of 1805/06 are gone forever, it is ignored, and ignored is his never coming to grips with Spain, then the Russian campaign of 1812 - is this the result of a great military commander, then he let's slip 1813 by not coming up with a strategy as all, his army is marched to death by exhaustion in the autumn campaign, in 1814 - useless victories and again not idea of strategy and 1815 an abysmal failure, this is all ignored by the shine of his victories - so great military commander - yes and no.
so he had a popular legitimacy? And for that reason he was better than any other monarchs in Europe? 18e brumarie was his legitimacy.
It is typical of dictators to hold elections to create a legitimacy of shine.
Mr. Gorves just claims that Nabulieone's ruling was better in comparison to other rulers in Europe, on what does he bases his knowledge, what does he know about the rulers of let's say Bavaria, or Saxony, or even Prussia, what was their amount of death sentences against Nabulieone's?
One of my greatest criticism of Nabulieone's worship is the Boney centered only approach without even trying to study in the same depth other nations in Europe as well.
Difficult to listen to hero worship at its worst, he wasn't an able administrator at all in Egypt, he left it in a mess, read what Kleber writes about it who as left dumped in it, in Italy, during the first Italian campaign, brutally suppressing revolts, showing his hide.
Ah yes Nabulieone's view of women was quite usual and popular at his time, yes, my point, he wasn't a genius he was just another petty noble holding total power, intelligent - yes, hard worker - yes, brave on the battle field yes - but a genius - no - with the exception in propaganda.
And yes it is not the Code Nabulieone.