Perhaps we shouldn't care to much for a scratch or so. As long as we don't fling to each others throats it's should be oké to me! The old grognards would laugh if they knew about our way of dealing with conflicts.
My website is absolutely peaceful, since I am the only player, but this is a forum guys!!
Lets tear up the pavement, and storm those barricades that divide us.
Let's not. Veterans of the old NSF recall these useless, unending battles.
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Let’s leave that to other forums, where the paying customers get to silence the opposition. I quite like that here your arguments have to stand or fall, not how loud you shout or who’s ear you have.
The thing to remember about internet debates is, that no one has ever won an internet debate.
I had suggested (in another place) the intellectual construct of arguing from the opposition’s point of view. It traditionally has taken the emotional sting out of it, and produced insight as well as entertaining debate. It got my posts deleted and my account permanently locked. Problem is, certain personality types find it impossible to do this. contra argument. They possess neither the willingness or the intellectual equipment. There is an excellent series of YouTube clips on surviving living with a narcissist that explains this inability very well. For these people Internet forums provide the echo-chamber and bullying opportunity they crave. Essentially, there is no argument to win. They (or their heroes) are to be agreed with unquestioningly and all contrary facts and opinions are merely malevolence or stupidity. Unfortunately that kind of conduct is very unwelcoming to new comers or those with serious but perhaps basic questions. If not challenged, it will lead to the gradual ageing and then ultimately the extinction of our hobby or interest.
@david Tomlinson Unfortunately arguing ups the clicks. But it's sort of like seeing an accident (or watching "Sharknado"), you know you should look away, but you can't.
@Hans - Karl Weiß I certainly hope not, I’ve been massively educated by discussions on here and other fora, not in small part from your good self. But I think @tomholmberg is right, it’s too easy to trot out the same hero/villain or my grenadiers are better than your grenadiers nonsense. Thing is, you learn so much more from civilised debate. I really like it when we can introduce someone, perhaps from a related field. Family or local historians I’m particularly fond of, it’s their relative or local gravestone, everything to them but one more minute piece of the puzzle to us. Perhaps I’m still that innocent wide-eyed school boy at heart, clutching his Ugo Pericoli Waterloo book and his single Hinchliffe figure?
Generally, the longer the thread the more dead horses that get abused. The SPCA frowns on that.
You can always live stream a broken down funeral cortège. Otherwise known as vlogging a dead hearse.....I know, I know (groan)
@tomholmberg
Not necessarily - see D'Erlon, discussion lives by participation and willing to stay ones own opinion,
When looking at your tube there are quite a few of very interesting productions, but then again - a discussion or contribution is useless because the authors won't read the comments.
The most honest you tube contributions therefore lock the comments post.
It is like reading a book - you cannot discuss with the author several subjects of different point of view.
Sorry to disagree I am against non moderated forms and Zack is doing a good job
Nov. 10th I noted: The moderator is sleeping. . . .
And he still is, I tend to belief!
@Alfred Brans
I wouldn't say he is sleeping but busy otherwise, he is running this forum on his cost and also hist spare time.
believe.
To quote John Stuart Mill: “So long as an opinion is strongly rooted in the feelings, it gains rather than loses in stability by having a preponderating weight of argument against it. For if it were accepted as a result of argument, the refutation of the argument might shake the solidity of the conviction; but when it rests solely on feeling, the worse it fares in argumentative contest, the more persuaded its adherents are that their feeling must have some deeper ground, which the arguments do not reach; and while the feeling remains, it is always throwing up fresh intrenchments of argument to repair any breach made in the old. And there are so many causes tending to make the feelings connected with this subject the most intense and most deeply-rooted of all those which gather round and protect old institutions and customs, that we need not wonder to find them as yet less undermined and loosened than any of the rest by the progress of the great modern spiritual and social transition; nor suppose that the barbarisms to which men cling longest must be less barbarisms than those which they earlier shake off.”
I quite like the line from “The man who never was” that goes something like “I have few brains, but having applied what I little I have I must do as they tell me”