Well, Krasnoe is inscribed on L’ Arc de Triumphe in Paris as a French victory. Haythornthwaite in ‘The Napoleonic Source Book’ has 16-17 November Kransnyi as a French victory, Napoleon over Kutusov
Interesting, what about Vyazma? Lieven describes it as "since the day ended with the Russians storming into Vyazma and driving the enemy off the battlefield, the Russian soldiers saw themselves as clear victors," and "For the first time in 1812, a clash between Kutuzov and Napoleon's infantry resulted in much heavier French than Russian losses."
Is this the same as Wiasma 3 November 1812? The Napoleonic Data Book by Digby Smith page 399 lists this as a clash rather than a full blown battle.
He records it as a victory for Miloradovitch over Prince Eugene. He gives lists of units and roughly equal strengths of circa 25,000 French and Russian circa 24,500. French losses are given as 4,000 killed and wounded 3.000 prisoners. The wounded included Poniatowski. Russian losses by comparison is given as 1,800 killed and wounded.
He lists his sources as Vaudoncourt, Martinien Preysing-Mons, Malibran and Chelminski, Lümmann, Bogdanovitch
Anglicising Slavic place names can be problematical, French sources like Martinien can be particularly wayward!
Well, Krasnoe is inscribed on L’ Arc de Triumphe in Paris as a French victory. Haythornthwaite in ‘The Napoleonic Source Book’ has 16-17 November Kransnyi as a French victory, Napoleon over Kutusov